This reflection forces me to ask: is oil not also the metaphor of exile, that wealth that, coming from the national subsoil, progresses in other parts of the world? Would the Venezuelan nation, in its exodus, not ultimately be the final limit of a lost wealth?
To conclude, Ana, in this drainage of resources and human beings, how do you conceive a Venezuela within the context of Latin America? Certainly, we are not the first country that, in a Latin American context, has suffered from a monoproductive economy and, also, not the only one where an archaic temporality is presented, thanks to a more or less failed modernity. However, the Venezuelan process is particularly paradoxical because the exploitation of raw materials that the country goes through is not happening so much from the outside—as an imperialistic imposition—but from an internal social assertion, carried out by supposedly progressive forces.
AA: I believe that the extractive policies in the Latin American context are sustained under a network of powers anchored to their colonial pasts, where deep political, social and ideological wounds coexist. Because of this, I find it particularly difficult to differentiate the standpoints of extraction by the governments of the region, paraphrasing Svampa (2013), that is to say that these are “progressive neo-developmentalists” or “liberal neo-developmentalists,” there is a basic consensus (consensus of the commodities) that translates into a process of dispossession and violence on the territories and their communities. This said I believe it is crucial that these reflections lead us not only to consider the role of geopolitics in the conservation of ecosystems but also to recognize the anthropocentric nature of extractive practices and the urgent need to rebuild and strengthen our relationship with nature. For this reason, I would like to conclude this conversation with the inspiring words of the U’wa, inhabitants of the deep jungles of eastern Colombia and great defenders of their territory: “Oil is ruiría and ruiría, it is the blood of Mother Earth...to take oil it is, for us, like killing our own mother.”
Ana Alenso, Tropical curse (during the talk The Goose That Laid the Golden Eggs: Instability and Mirage in Venezuelan Oil Culture, Ana Alenso, Ivan Capriles and Manuel Silva-Ferrer), 2015. Multimedia installation. Photo by Ilaria Biotti. Image courtesy of the artist.