MIR: How does anyone know she or he is a soñador, a dreamer? Or is it a faculty that is passed down from generation to generation?
ES: An Ouutsü is identified through widespread recognition of her faculties, which serve to solidify her name through the works she performs. Such recommendations are spread by oral tradition, an important communication element among the Wayuu. Knowledge is handed down from generation to generation, and consists of the Ouutsü, by means of dreams, choosing whom should be called to prepare herself. It starts with isolation, flour-based foods, beverages and recognizing medicinal plants. That said, I’m sorry to report that the Ouutsü is disappearing from our culture. Lots of Wayuu girls are put into boarding schools that distance them from their traditional customs; they take on another kind of life. Today, the women-dreamers are disappearing.
MIR: A world that could prevent conflicts through dreams, yet with no spiritual entities that must be consulted... It’s so sad! The voice of the woman who dialogues is no longer heard. So why bother with the consultations?
ES: Dreams help us prevent things, make decisions, act as the Ouutsü instructs; they are highly helpful allies, since it is through this process you learn to develop intuition. You have to know how to distinguish when a dream is normal and when it’s different. When a dream is recurrent and elicits some sense of tension, you have to look for a response. That’s when you consult an Ouutsü, to see how a conflict can be resolved; that’s why they’re also called mediators. In my case, when I dream of something out of the ordinary, I know I shouldn’t speak of it so that, because it’s at the top of my mind, the dream will come true. But sometimes you have to know how to speak of it, as a way of looking for an answer. It can be related to premonitions. Asking about a dream depends on whether or not you believe. That’s the starting point.
Eusebio Siosi,
Los sueños de la Ouutsü (still), 2015. Video. Two-channel HD video, 16 min. Courtesy of La Usurpadora, Puerto Colombia.
Eusebio Siosi,
Los sueños de la Ouutsü (still), 2015. Video. Two-channel HD video, 16 min. Courtesy of La Usurpadora, Puerto Colombia.
MIR: What does the community do so that something as individual as a dream can become a collective work involving everyone?
ES: We Wayuu believe and recognize this activity as a generator of change and answers. Being aware of how the act of telling experiences and events, orally, contributes to collective work creates a commitment to undertake this kind of ritual. To do it, you need to involve a great deal of the population, from the people who slaughter cattle to the ones who make the food. A lot bring food, depending on how long the isolation is going to be, determined by the type of work you’re trying to perform.
Eusebio Siosi,
Los sueños de la Ouutsü (still), 2015. Video. Two-channel HD video, 16 min. Courtesy of La Usurpadora, Puerto Colombia.
Eusebio Siosi,
Los sueños de la Ouutsü (still), 2015. Video. Two-channel HD video, 16 min. Courtesy of La Usurpadora, Puerto Colombia.
The isolation could be in a rural hamlet where it becomes a social action, where food is shared for as long as needed and to which anyone can come, according to what the Ouutsü decides. The Yonna dance is performed non-stop, at all times. The dancers spin around and there must be food offerings such as fiche with bread or arepa; coffee or chicha; goat stew or rice with guajiro beans, lots of food, an order from the Ouutsü. That way you keep the spirits contented—which is necessary for the ritual to have its effect.
MIR: So as a Wayuu, do you believe someone can ask for help, or fight, from the supernatural realm, to solve specific problems in the everyday world?
ES: Naturally. You can ask the supernatural for help or to steer situations of conflict. That’s what happens with feuds between clans, family groups like the Ipuana in my case. If we want to know what’s the best way to act, we arrange a consultation and keep the interpretation in mind as a way to move forward. You can also get “antidotes,” that serve to drive problems away. There are lots of ways to do things.
MIR: Who are your allies in the supernatural world? What natural or supernatural forces do you trust, or from which do you ask for support, in the realm of the unseen?
ES: My spirits, who somehow send signs through dreams or circumstances. I’ve learned to watch out for disturbances and to put a bit of red fabric beneath my pillow to ward them away. To take certain precautions against the uncommon. I believe a thread or a red scrap is a transmitter of energies. I’ve had uncommon experiences. Knowing my grandmother was a dreamer and understanding that because of that, this faculty can be handed down, has allowed me to interpret this in my own manner as a way of knowing how to act. Presenting this experience through art contributes to the land and strengthens Wayuu customs in the various spaces where I can share experiences. It means I can be consulted and can offer guidance.
MIR: Why do the Wayuu believe we inhabit such different worlds? Put another way, why does it seem like we don’t understand you or your problems or that we can’t help you?
ES: You do understand us and it’s very common for you to seek us out to solve some problem. But what happens is that most of the time the consultation is made in secret. It’s an act of respect and recognition of our qualities; it spreads to other areas because it’s so effective. That’s why the Ouutsü are sought after for the kinds of works that have had a repercussion in the region. Collective benefit can be achieved, through the satisfaction that lies in the solution that falls to a family or clan, or the resolution of a conflict. This gives rise to the peace and tranquility needed to move through the world without problems. Wayuu people have their own ways of surviving. The problem is the influence of the Western world and the way changes are brought about. I recognize Christian religion is having a disappearing effect on a figure as im- portant to the Wayuu culture as the Ouutsü, just as it does on the dancers, without realizing it’s destroying a cultural process.
MIR: What do the Wayuu see in society as it is today that we are unable to understand?
ES: We see the destruction of the land, where the monetary interests of the government and of politicians comes first, with no awareness of how it affects the ecosystem and degrades it, with no measure of the causes and effects. Sadly, the influence of arijunas—cultural outsiders—affects us greatly, as does our education in institutions that distance us from our traditions. This leads some Wayuu to think to some degree that because they’re educated, they can exert a greater amount of influence and therefore start to make decisions above those of traditional Wayuu authorities. There are other cases where, for instance, a highway can bring changes or subjection when arijunas get involved with Wayuu, so the “more civilized” one ends up influencing. It’s important to armor yourself so it won’t happen. A Wayuu evinces solidarity and is faithful. But he can change if the dynamic is altered in the negative.
MIR: The Wayuu see values in society we don’t. What are they?
ES: Respect for the value that lies in conservation. Asking permission from nature, from the land, from plants as a way to guide your actions.
Eusebio Siosi, Los sueños de la Ouutsü (instalation view), La Usurpadora at Espacio Odeón, Bogotá, Colombia, 2015. Two-channel HD video, 16 min. Courtesy of La Usurpadora.